Steve Sailer has accumulated a legendary posting corpus over the years, but he rarely does interviews. Steve recently sat down with the quirky, interesting podcaster Alex Kaschuta for a wide-ranging interview.

They speak about California, liberalism, meritocracy, IQ, and, of course, hate facts.

Here’s the intro from Alex:

I speak with Steve about the people’s republic of California, Liberalism under total honesty about hate-facts, applying Moneyball-style analysis to base reality, the possibility of meritocracy, the conflation between IQ and human worth, the strange relationship between Asians and affirmative action, the legacy of Barack Obama, Abortion’s effect on crime, coining “HBD” and the career of the concept, and much, much more.

Watch the whole thing: