Gab CEO Andrew Torba Speaks Exclusively to Revolver News About His Plan to Save Free Speech and America
January 11, 2021 (9mo ago)

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Just days ago, Twitter shocked the nation and international community alike by purging Donald J. Trump from its platform. Like hyenas, Big Tech companies attack in packs, and Facebook, Instagram, SnapChat, YouTube, and payment processor Stripe all quickly followed suit with their own bans and restrictions on the President.

This dramatic full-spectrum “un-personing” of the President of the United States from the American digital communications infrastructure marks a clarifying  inflection point in Americans’ understanding of what kind of country they live in, and who or what ultimately controls it. Big Tech’s deplatforming of Donald Trump also marks a dark culmination to the war that Big Tech declared on free speech, the internet, and Trump supporters alike, most infamously revealed in a leaked video of Google senior executives reacting hysterically to Trump’s 2016 win and vowing “never again.”

Perhaps most uncomfortably, Big Tech’s de-platforming of the President drives home the severe and tragic inadequacy of the conservative assessment of and response to the threat Big Tech poses to our most basic freedoms. These conservative responses ranged from impotent grandstanding for fundraising purposes, to the ideological rationalization of serfdom on the basis that our feudal overlords were not technically part of the government (notwithstanding their essential financial entanglements with government).

In recent days, Parler, the more establishment-friendly alternative to Twitter, has received a harsh lesson on the realities of the so-called “free-market.” In just days, the unprepared “free-speech” company was banned from the Apple App Store and Google Play. Amazon, which hosted their website, withdrew services, effectively taking Parler off the internet entirely. As if that weren’t enough, even Parler’s legal team has abandoned them. Evidently, building one’s own Twitter also requires building one’s own app stores, domain host, and law firm — just for starters!

Enter Andrew Torba and Gab. Torba launched Gab in 2016, two years before Parler, as a free-speech alternative to Twitter — and he meant it. Largely due to his principled defense of free-speech, Torba and Gab suffered the slings, arrows, smears, defamations, and attempted deplatforming inevitably visited upon any brave soul who dares stand up to the corrupt Globalist American Regime and its censors. Torba dealt with each attempt at deplatforming with persistence, intelligence, and ingenuity. Over time, he developed not only enviable battle-scars, but a real self sufficiency, anti-fragility and robustness for Gab that few, if any, non-Globalist sites can match.

Gab’s hard-won robustness seems to have finally paid off, with an unprecedented tsunami of new users flocking to the site in the wake of Twitter purges and Parler’s collapse. Revolver News connected with Torba for an exclusive interview to discuss his vision for Gab as an emerging free-speech juggernaut in the tech space.

Revolver: President Trump has been banned from Twitter and largely de-platformed from expressing himself on the internet. Why is it crucial for the President, his supporters, and more broadly for our country that Trump circumvent the censors and get on Gab?

Andrew Torba: What we have happening now in America is unprecedented. These unelected Silicon Valley oligarchs are acting as gatekeepers over what the American people can and can not hear from their President, Donald J. Trump. Similar to how they’ve put masks over our mouths this past year, they’re now attempting to muzzle the leader of the free world and keep him from communicating with his supporters at this most critical hour. At Gab, we don’t believe that the answer to disagreements is censorship, but more dialog and more debate. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. You can’t have that when one side can unilaterally mute the other because they don’t like what they’re saying.

It’s imperative at this point that President Trump reconnect with everyone who supports him, not only for their sake, but so he can see how much he is supported by The People.

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There’s a scene in the movie Jaws where the main characters are comparing their scars. Now that tens of millions of Americans are being chomped by the same sharks of Silicon Valley that first came for you and Gab years ago, can you tell of the story of your scars? That is, name all the technology platforms and payment processors that have banned or blocked Gab, and tell us when and how they did it.

There’s so many at this point it’s almost better to go by category first. We’ve been banned from both Google and Apple’s app stores. We’ve been deplatformed by hosting platforms like Microsoft Azure, Joyent, Backblaze, and Amazon Web Services. We’ve been banned by GoDaddy and Shopify, third-party tools like embedly, Mailgun, and Medium. We’ve been banned from StartEngine and Patreon. We can’t even use Twitter ads to advertise our existence to anyone.

Gab took the time to build all of our own tools and resources over the course of many years. Our team never gave up and worked 100 hour weeks for four years straight. Our community stayed with us and supported us. Gab has people from all different locations, backgrounds, ethnicities, religions, cultures, and more. What unites us is our shared belief in protecting the freedom of speech at all costs. We unite despite our many differences to overcome adversity and emerge victorious against all odds. If that’s not the American spirit, I don’t know what is.

Now Gab has become the single most resilient and battle-hardened social media company in the world. We own our own servers. We can’t be banned from those servers. There is literally no other community in the world that can do what we are doing right this moment. Gab is the fastest growing website in internet history. The Rubicon has been crossed, the die cast, and the Big Tech Exodus has begun.

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Is it true some of these tech companies not only came for you personally for the simple crime of keeping free speech in Gab’s terms of service, but some even banned your family members by extension as well?

You would think we were living in Communist China, because Visa banned my family via the blacklisting of my personal address, phone number, etc. My wife can’t open a merchant processing account because we share an address. That’s the level of control that these oligarchs have and this is what they will do to anyone who dares to dissent against them.

My family and I are just the test case. This needs to be stopped now. They are coming for anyone guilty of “wrong-think” next. We are seeing this unfold now with the President being banned from payment processors like Stripe. Both the President and anyone who even remotely supported him is being systemically removed from the internet and the financial services infrastructure. This should terrify everyone, even those who do not support the President.

You are a creature of Silicon Valley. Your last startup project was at Y Combinator, the most prestigious technology incubator in the world. You could have made millions as a decorated tech entrepreneur in the halcyon days of easy VC money. Why on earth did you throw that all away to start Gab?

I wouldn’t say I’m a creature of Silicon Valley. Unlike Joe Biden, who abandoned Scranton at ten years old, I was born and raised in Scranton, PA. I graduated from the University of Scranton. My entire family is here.

Joe Biden is not the scrappy Scranton guy, I am.

To say that man represents our community is an insult to the great people of Scranton. He left us as a child and never came back unless it was to raise money from our great people. I went out to Silicon Valley for a year and half and was horrified by what I saw and learned. It was then that I decided to come back to my hometown in order to build the home of free speech on the internet and put Scranton on the map.

I’m not sure I’d say I “threw it all away” as much as I was blacklisted for being an openly Christian Trump supporter. The simple fact of the matter is that our God-given right to free speech matters more than ever. If we abandon free speech, we abandon the core fundamental founding principle that made this nation great in the first place.

There’s nothing more important. Not money. Not fame. Not status. Most people in Silicon Valley sell their souls to the devil for these things. I want none of these things. I simply want my children to grow up with the free and open internet that I grew up with and to export free speech from the United States of America to the rest of the world.

Nothing less, nothing more.

Tell us about your success this week. I heard you had more users sign up in the past two days than in the first two years. Is that true?

We’ve certainly reached a major tipping point and it proves that the demand for real free speech platforms and products exists. This week alone Gab has had over 43 million visits to the site and almost one million people signing up daily.

People are tired of being treated like children online. They refuse to be silenced just because they said something unpopular with the outrage mob. The big mistake is that we’ve entrusted protecting free speech to a handful of hostile, vitriolic, and tyrannical companies for far too long. These oppressive technological regimes simply can’t be tolerated anymore.

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It’s been noted that while Big Tech platforms continues to lobby for Section 230 protection, which prevents legal liability for the content users freely post on their platforms, these platforms have all banned Gab for what allowing people to freely post content. I know you are a critic of repealing Section 230 protections. So what should we do?

I think we need to enforce Section 230. If we get rid of 230, that opens up smaller platforms like Gab to unending frivolous lawsuits, and the unintended consequence is that these hostile platforms which have all the money and can afford all the lawyers become the only “choice” available for everyone. So you have to maintain protections for the little guy, first and foremost, because Gab and other startups deserve the right to compete in the free market and win.

I also think framing an Internet Bill of Rights should be a top priority for lawmakers to make sure these unelected Silicon Valley oligarchs can’t simply silence someone and that there’s a legal framework in place to help protect The People.

They will try to destroy you, Andrew. Now more than ever. The world witnessed the geopolitical implications of free speech in the form of Donald Trump’s election, Brexit, and other democratically supported, massively popular events that undermined many deep, elite, globalist structures. How are you going to defend Gab against nearly every corrupt institution in the Western world? How can people support you?

The best way to support Gab is for users to go GabPRO, donate, and tell a friend about Gab. Instead of supporting something like a Netflix which pumps filth into your living room, consider using those funds to sign up for GabPRO and help us protect free speech.

Other Silicon Valley social media sites harvest all kinds of user data and they make a profit by selling that data. We don’t see our customer as a product, and so we don’t harvest any of that kind of data; rather, we see Gab community members as a people with freedoms and inalienable rights. We believe in the value-for-value model. If you are deriving value from Gab, we ask that you consider signing up for Pro or donating to support our mission.

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The MAGA movement is littered with many ex-libertarians who used to believe you could “build your own.” Then they witnessed the graveyard of countless companies who were deplatformed by Big Tech, and died of suffocation because they could not “build their own” platforms without using applications from Google or Amazon, WordPress, payment processors, email services, domain hosts, or social media access. Gab stands alone for its resilience. What have you had to build, and what are you building next?

We are working on some really exciting projects, including our own smartphone, that I can’t quite talk about right now. Most recently, we launched Gab TV. Gab TV is our YouTube replacement. We aren’t just building a free speech social network, we are building a free speech internet and infrastructure to replace all of Silicon Valley.

The only reason we’re able to do any of this is because of the backing of our great community, the tireless work of our amazing team, and because of Jesus Christ and his power and rule over our lives. Without that, we’d be sunk like so many others.

As if Parler wasn’t having a bad enough week, reports have come out of a massive data breach on Parler immediately prior to it being taken down by Amazon. If you would, please say a little bit about how Gab thinks about and handles data privacy and security issues for its users.

We have no interest in your data because we’re not selling it to anyone. All we care about is protecting free speech, and the free flow of information online. The only thing Gab requires for sign up is an email address. We have zero trackers on our products.

We even have our own web browser, Dissenter, that blocks Big Tech ads and trackers. Gab is the most pro-privacy platform on the internet. We take security very seriously and we are ramping up our security team, efforts, and infrastructure as one of our top priorities on the engineering side of things. We work very hard to ensure users have the privacy that they deserve because privacy is a crucial component of being able to speak freely and authentically.

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What would it mean for Gab, and you, your family, and your team who have been through so much, for President Trump to join your platform this week?

I come from a humble middle class family and town. Everyone in my extended family has sacrificed so much over the past four and a half years for Gab to get to this point. Every moment of sacrifice and struggle has been worth it to know that we have a place where The People can speak freely online away from these Silicon Valley tyrants, but I know that this is bigger than my family and I.

I believe the American People need to hear from President Trump. So many of us voted for him, supported him for these past four years, and still support him to this day. He says 75 million, but in truth, it’s probably many more – and he knows that. We’ve been building and preparing for this day for over four years now. If Silicon Valley can do this to the President of the United States – they can and will do it to anyone.

It’s important that The People see President Trump fight back against this Silicon Valley censorship and the entrenched bureaucrats in Washington who would love to see him de-platformed and silenced forever. There is a lot of anxiety and uncertainty in the country right now. The People are looking for leadership and guidance. President Trump has been the Champion of The People. He has given us a voice again and we are here to make sure that he has his.

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Guest
9 months ago

Gab has been down for days now.

He knew this was coming. We all knew this was coming.

I don't understand why he didn't move heaven and Earth to get the servers needed to accommodate a wave of new users that we all knew would come.

Guest
9 months ago

He has moved heaven and earth to get this far. He has already been through the "cloud" problems that Parlor is now experiencing and has had to build his own server network. He has also run afoul of Twitter/Facebook/Google and all the tech oligarchs, and we all know how much trouble they can cause. To make matters worse, his has run afoul of the investment banking cartel who refuse to underwrite his company and allow him to go public. He has even been personally blacklisted by Visa. It is pretty impressive what he has been able to accomplish thus far against so many obstacles. Give it a little time, and hopefully he can get some more servers running. Not an easy task with virtually no way to facilitate investment.

Guest
8 months ago

Es werden noch sehr viele Menschen zu GAB kommen. So wie ich. Freie Meinung ist mir sehr wichtig. Die Börsen werden GAB nicht ignorieren oder verhindern können. GAB hat durch freie Menschen die Macht! Viele Grüße aus Deutschland.

Guest
9 months ago

I have been basically able to check on Gab every other hour since the sixth. Sure there were busy times when the site could not keep up with the demand, but would would have predicted the overlords banning Trump and then going after Parler so quickly? I didn't expect such an inversion, all over basically a college prank that was obviously a huge set up.

I was surprised they had 10 servers to install so quickly. So maybe they were preparing, but didn't prepare to the unexpected amount. Don't forget funding has been an issue. This is the year they would have blown though all the investors money. So it's a month to month operation, that has been lean and mean. They need lots more money to compete with what you are used to.

Jed Evnull
9 months ago

I love Gab, but right now when it needs to be at its best it's a horrible experience. Either totally down or a 15 minute wait for the main page to load. My personal timeline, when I can get to it, shows three or four posts, then shows a spinning circle and refuses to load further. It's too bad, but Gab will fail if they don't fix their issues pronto.

Guest
9 months ago

It's like the beginnings of the internet, where people did host their own servers. Where if you got popular, you could likely die from being too slow to upgrade. This mega popularity of Gab is many times magnitude than websites popularity years ago. When you can't just logon to your provider and say I need this many more requests served and pay more for it, but instead need to install and configure additional hardware to do that, I say they have been making huge progress that would make other IT people jealous.

Guest
9 months ago

if we must, we will rebuild him, we will make him stronger than before but it will cost $6 Million dollars…..

Guest
9 months ago

The biggest problem that I see is that Torba has put his servers in Pennsylvania, which under the full jurisdiction of the United Police States of America, including Herr Wolf and his Cousin It. Those servers can be seized any time by the Fascist Bureau of Inquisition on any number of bogus charges. Torba needs to move those servers (and probably himself) out of the U.S. . If they won't underwrite him in the U.S. to get the financing he needs via going public, there are other nations and other exchanges (such as that in Brazil- whose President uses GAB), where he may be able to get underwritten, be listed on an exchange, and raise capital.

Guest
9 months ago

More data centers would be nice, and I hope that's a dream of their future. Texas has big data center hubs, that they could add their hosting servers to. Small chance Texas might be it's own country again. Russia, Hungary, and Poland are all good choices as well.

Guest
9 months ago

give it 2 or 3 days -twitter and parler are both much larger platforms – i've seen this slowdown before and it goes away after they get the new servers spinning

Guest
9 months ago

Anyone who tries Gab is a domestic terrorist. #Reported #FBI

Lemuel Pitkin
9 months ago

Sadly, that is not necessarily a joke.

Guest
9 months ago

Some are afraid of their own truthful nature so they blame others. She's just jealous because we stand for what is right. She's just a moth attracted to the flame of evil. Bible tells us that they have been deceived by their own lust and will be left to their illusions of grandeur. They are the devil's now. We know what happens at the end, GOD WINS THE WAR.

Guest
9 months ago

ButterFly Is the real terrorist, thats why I use them for Fish Bait

Guest
9 months ago

I'm sure the FIB will jump right on your tipoff.

Good work, McGruff

Guest
9 months ago

I've been using Gab for some time now. We are NOT going away. The site has existed for years and if you don't want to use it, that's your issue.

It has the best API of any other media site and is fairly light-weight and faster than many other sites. The terms of service are clear, and they let users say what can be said on NO other Big Tech platform. None.

Thanks partly due to the lies and slanders, it has been small for a long time. Now 400,000 new users signed up within a single day. Andrew Torba could had no idea how much server capacity they had to order. Gab is getting bigger. Not failing

Jed Evnull
9 months ago

I've been on Gab for years and have no plans to leave. When working it's far superior to Parler and I agree Gab has been slandered. However, slowdowns and poor feed loading predate the current purges by quite a bit. New users will be apt to say "Hey this doesn't work!" and move on, unless Gab ups its game. It's fine to be loyal, but don't be blind to reality.

Guest
9 months ago

Do they require a phone number to join? If so then I am out.

Guest
9 months ago

Was it too much to read the article?

Guest
9 months ago

No phone only email

Guest
9 months ago

Anyone else not able to reach Gab.com?

Guest
9 months ago

They are in middle of massive server upgrade… site before the influx was an awesome improvement compared to the simplistic just a month ago. It's the last rodeo no doubt

Guest
9 months ago

It's currently working, that's how I saw Andrew's post and got here. I even got the Dissenter extension logged back in. Earlier today, I got logged out, so that was the most difficult part of the day. But hopefully it's smooth sailing for the next five hours.

Guest
9 months ago

It's very slow… Likely due to the heavy load of all the new users.

Guest
9 months ago

I have been looking into Gab. Torba seems to really know what he is doing. A cellphone with just a basic open-source operating system, hardened for security, is something that I proposed a while back as a sure-fire business venture. Combining a secure cell-phone with the Dissenter browser (which allows Dissenter users to comment upon any web-page and read each other's comments) is a brilliant combination. That Gab also has a replacement for Twitter/Facebook is simply the icing on the cake. The real action is in the cellphone under development and the browser. Gab has the capacity to be the next Apple. It is a shame that Gab and Torba have not been allowed to go public by the banking/digital oligarchs. This would be a great company to invest in.

Guest
9 months ago

The main problem is the one and done nature of the extension, the browser, and likely the phone. The extension still works fine, so I can understand it doesn't need an update, except to allow people to easily install it. The browser is an old badly hacked up version of Brave. There's no point in updating it, as people can use Brave or Vivaldi, and learn how to install the Dissenter extension.

Guest
9 months ago

If I understand correctly (and I am certainly no expert on technology, so correct me if I am wrong) Brave includes Google's FCM which allows for communications between apps/programs and Google's cloud without the user's knowledge.

Guest
9 months ago

Not exactly. What Brave does use google for, if you turn it on, is relayed by brave servers. This means google doesn't know it's you. I have all those things turned off though and I use Qwant as my search engine. Never logged into google on this browser. As for extensions, you are at the mercy of the extension, so it's good to read it's source.

Guest
9 months ago

Android currently exists with rooting. I personally think that the increased simplicity/easiness/accessibility of modern software has made it difficult for most conservatives to adapt to censorship-free
solutions. Nothing wrong with using IRC at all, it just doesn't look pretty since it doesn't automatically embed fancy links.

Guest
9 months ago

I grew up with computers all of my life. I worked on a TRS-80 in grade school and had an Apple IIe through high school. In undergraduate and graduate school, I was using the internet before there was such a thing as browsers and always on the irc boards. However, as a one-time college professor and now writer/editor among other non-technical endeavors, I simply have not had time to keep up with every new development. I suspect a lot of workaday folk, not in the tech field, are in the same position as I am. I try to keep things as simple as I can. I use Libreoffice and avoid Google as much as possible and don't bother with Twitter, Facebook, etc.., but it is often too much trouble to keep up with who is colluding with whom in the tech world. Amazing how all of these tech guys went from free-speech, open internet anarchists to full-blown fascists in 25 short years.

Guest
9 months ago

There is Graphene OS for android.

Guest
9 months ago

Gab has been around for like 5 years and they've never had a well functioning site. I quit using it a couple years ago after many questionable/illegitimate bannings.

It's still better than twitter but has had problems from the start.

Guest
9 months ago

You weren't around before the sixth when things were dreamy then. My question is these questionable bannings, like whom? Do they block IPs in addition to emails? Because people can keep coming back from that. I'm on a vpn 100% of the time, and no issues like some websites that hate VPNs for some reason.

Who doesn't have problems from starting out? My goodness, that's not a reason to hold grudges. But please do point me to info about the bannings. No porn, no harassing, no incitement of violence. I can understand why the left hates it.

Guest
9 months ago

I haven't been around there for a long time I don't remember any individual names. There were multiple waves of bannings of users who were edgy but never said anything illegal or broke TOS.

Guest
9 months ago

Hmmmm, I need more details than that. I'm more with White Nationalists, and some post some spicy things about a certain religious group, and those people that have prognathic jaws and an excess of melanin that is a detriment in clothed, heavily indoor, western society.

Guest
9 months ago

Unfortunately I agree. They have banned people for posting cartoons or disagreeing with certain topics. It is kind of hypocritical to be for free speech when Twitter has more freedom in terms of expression than GAB does. Then again GAB needs to choose to be for freedom of expression or to be about the Evangelical Bible site for just right wingers.

Guest
9 months ago

If I'm being honest, conservatives need to learn how to be more tech-savvy. The deplatforming and doxing issues were solved years ago since there's plenty of (free) open source software of existing services that you can fork already. Even for streaming platforms like Twitch. The only services that you should pay for are offshore .com level domain registrars and servers/hosting. Please do your research and don't use the same services that people got kicked out of beforehand.

Guest
9 months ago

offshore hosting kicked the dailystormer off dozens of times – that was back in 2016 and nobody said anything – we tried to warn you all but no one would listen

left blank
9 months ago

Jeff Bezos and his friends could pretty much buy most governments, so the chance that they can't just dictate the terms of surrender are nil. Offshore isn't going accomplish anything. Personally, I think the only way to really use the internet in the future is going to be on the dark web, in which case audiences will be too small for the major tech platforms/companies to really care what people are saying. They are aggregating all of the tools of mass manipulation to control billions of minds. As long as you are happy having a few friends and server, they won't care what you are saying and doing as long as it is not straightforwardly a threat to anything. I think we have to live at the scale of ancient small Greek city states. Socrates. Plato. Aristotle. And a few friends who feel like sharing ideas.

Guest
9 months ago

They still use offshore hosting and domain registrars, you just have to find the right ones. As bad as it is now, right-wingers weren't the first group to be attacked by both corporations and the government. Considering that liberals brand Trump supporters as criminals, it's best to look into how piracy sites successfully resisted censorship.

Tex Mex BBQ
9 months ago

I just looked into Gab and it's slooooooooooooooooow and glitchy. Is it always that way? Totally unacceptable!

Guest
9 months ago

It's the sheer volume of traffic being poured onto Gab's servers right now. The site is very responsive, it's just it currently has several orders of magnitude more traffic than it did a week ago. Sign up and be patient; it'll stabilize.

Guest
9 months ago

no just since trump got banned – he's adding new servers – give it a day or 2

Guest
9 months ago

he better buy some more severs – and make a credit card payment company like visa too … should be loads of fun and many dank memes from here on out….

Guest
9 months ago

Yea, isn't it interesting even the BANKS go after Gab. That's how much of a threat it is.
Parler is not so big a threat, for all the neocon money put behind it.

MrNoName
9 months ago

i actually really liked parler, the interface was nice i didnt have to look up someones page i could just keep up with the information, it was closer to twitter. where gab feels closer to a facebook.

Guest
8 months ago

Parler is Fox News influenced by big money. They are not a free speech platform. They are a platform trying to monetize on those who are for free speech. That is why Parler is ad based revenue model.

left blank
9 months ago

The main reason I never signed up for Gab, and wouldn't, is that the Left has made it abundantly clear that if you have an account on there you are going to be doxxed, financially ruined, fired from your job, and maybe even thrown in jail under the new "domestic terrorism" laws. They just haven't gotten around to doing any of that yet because of the civil war against Orange Drumpfler. But now that they have basically completely won the total ideological war, Torba and Gab are next. Even posting on here is probably a bad idea in the long run but since none of us say anything all that bad I think we aren't in immediate danger. But everything on the internet is going to end up being like the Chinese Great Firewall. None of the global oligarchs are particularly interested in seeing your civil or constitutional rights defended. They are actually openly hostile to your exercise of those rights.

Guest
9 months ago

Being wise online is always best but being too fearful to post anything at all online is a bridge too far particularly if you feel deeply about a point that must be made. Censorship is here heavy and fast and across the digital board. However, good people need to speak up. Period!

Guest
9 months ago

Learn basic OPSEC and never use your real information if you don't want to be doxxed or have that fear.

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